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Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:38 AM
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I am trying to figure out which would be the cheapest and most for my money.  Remember I do have a sammy body and frame.  Modifying is not a problem.  Here are the 4 link kits out there I have found.

The first pic...Gen Right is $1200.00 with no coils or shocks

The second is the Trail Gear installed  

The third is Poly Performance weld on 4 link....no springs or shocks $1100.00

The fourth is Rocky Road outfitters Samurai rear link kit with springs and shocks

The fifth is Rocky Road outfitters samurai front and rear total kit...I dont need it. Just a pic to see the rear parts.

The 6th is Trail Gears Trail Link.  This one comes with shock mounts but no springs or shocks $950.00

The 7th is Trail Gear with the fox 2.0 is $1200.00




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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:00 AM
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7th-great deal, good design.

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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:37 AM
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I was looking at some 3link kits for my truck, I just wish it was in the 600-700 price range. It's hard to drop over 1K for a kit. But at least you know someone took the time to get the geometry right (or at least close).
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:23 AM
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 I would have to agree with Mark. Go with #7. The airshocks alone are worth $400.00 and it looks to be a decent design with some adjustability. Let's not leave out the fact that it's designed for the sammy.

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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:29 AM
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The #7 does seem like a good plan.  The design is ment for a Toyota truck actually.  I will have to shorten the width on the cross member.  Like I said there will be a bit of modification going on.  

#4 and #5 are the rocky road outfitters design.  This is for the samurai.  The others  are universal, Toyota or Jeep.  
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:43 AM
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I found another set-up.  This one is $450 bucks!  

It is 1.5" x 3/16 DOM.  It is a bit lighter diamiter, but would work right?
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:51 AM
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This one is even Cheaper with 1.5" x 1/4 wall tubing  at the price of $380.00
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:55 AM
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Here is another......

KP Components   @ $325.00

I dont like the axle brackets, but they can be cut to work.  There is no say in tube size.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:38 PM
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Im not really a Trail Gear fan to be honest.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:54 PM
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I went to poly performance to see about building the link set-up myself.  

Look how much the 8 joints would be for a triangulated set-up.  Remember....this is only the joints!!!!



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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:02 PM
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Well, you did pick the most expensive ends on the website. Why not use some static ends on one end of the tube, and then the adjustable ones on the other. You will have to adjust them before install, but its cheaper. Or you could use 2 static ends per tube and just work harder on the math
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:04 PM
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Ya I kinda **** at math......
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:12 PM
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I am still  leaning toward the Rocky-Road set-up.  Mianly because of fit for the samurai frame and it comes complete.  Ready to weld on and hit the trail for $950.00 bucks.

The only thing is the  "Y"  upper link.  How does that perform compared to the triangulated 4 link?
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:13 PM
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The rocky road set-up comes with 1.5" dom 1/4 wall and Currie joints.  Not bad.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:25 PM
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Rocky Road also specializes in Sami stuff, so it should be fairly easy, but ive heard some mixed stories about their shipping practices.

And a 4 Link would be stronger. More redundancy.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:33 PM
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ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE??????

triangulated or Y upper design?

The Y upper is a bit more giving to the not so bright engineering.  There is less to bind up if you dont do it right...correct?
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Friday, July 09, 2010 12:03 AM
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im gonna go with a isuzu trooper rear axle I got my hands on because its already set up for a three link from the factory and has disc brakes and its a third member style. I will build my own links out of dom and heavy duty heims. now I just need a suzuki sidekick to put it in and my old 44 will go up front temporarily.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Friday, July 09, 2010 9:15 AM
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ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE??????

triangulated or Y upper design?

The Y upper is a bit more giving to the not so bright engineering.  There is less to bind up if you dont do it right...correct?


The upper Y is basically only there to help keep the axle centered and to prevent axle wrap. It is effectively the same as the two seperate arms. The big difference is that it's a single joint so you need to be sure to have high misalignment spacers and a uber strong mount. This is all assuming that the lowers are triangulated, if not that changes a lot of the force loads and how they are gonna effect the vehicle.
 
If you want to build your own I do have the 4-link calculator I can try to email ya.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Friday, July 09, 2010 9:27 AM
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Please do.  I have a stick of 1" x 1/4 wall DOM sitting on the shelf.  I know it is a bit small, but it is free.  I just need to find johny joints to fit.  Maybe I can buy a tap and get the 1.25" johny joints.  Tap the dom and that way I dont have to buy a tube adapter.

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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Friday, July 09, 2010 10:14 AM
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Monday, July 19, 2010 5:30 PM
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Well I have been digging again.....

I found this company...

http://www.qscomponents.com/4linkoptions.html


They have this set-up for $296.00  That is a good deal when you are talking all those ends and tube adapters.  If I went with Poly Performance and Johny Joints it would be near $600.00

But how strong is the 3/4 rod end?  Will it work for me?


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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:06 PM
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I'll measure my JJ's when I get home to give you an idea of size to strength. I got mine to handle rockwells and 44" swampers. Course I chose not to run that axle and tire but I have the joints anyway.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:08 PM
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Well I went the option to build my own set up.  Mainly because the tube and springs I already had.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:11 PM
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:14 PM
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Looks good, can't wait to see it in action!
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:13 AM
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:12 AM
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Ya I did not trust the 3/4 rod ends so i did pay a bit more for the currie.  Guess what the johny joints are cheapest through the people who makes them....currie enterprises.  All togeather I am at $600 bucks for this rear set-up.  If I had to buy tube and springs....I would be around $800.  I am going to start cutting and welding this weekend.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:27 AM
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Looks good man. Post build pics when you can.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:09 AM
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looks good bro, can't wait to see it on the trail.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:47 AM
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Well I got her done on Sunday.  I took it out to bridgeport on monday.  The dang park was closed so I went to the 1800 acre atv park in lake bridgeport.  They have only a few good trails, but I was able to really open it up and hit some speed with rough bumps.  It all held up.  My only thing is...she sits perfect hight in the rear now....but I hope the rear springs dont squat over time like the front did.  If they do I will have to jack it up some how.  I will post some pics later.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:12 AM
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cant wait to see it live. I am sure the springs will sit down a bit but you can just add a spacer.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:58 AM
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Here is a few pics of the final set-up.  I had to cut the lower links 8" because of clearance and they just did not look right.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:13 AM
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Looking good. Now we need some action shots.
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Re:Rear 4 Link Set-up - Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:07 PM
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That will have to wait till Shiloh and a case of the good stuff.
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