IFS Newbie.... I must be nuts.

Hello,
I'll make this short and sweet or at least I'll try.  I'm in the process of adding a Camburg Long Travel suspension to my 2009 Toyota Tundra Double Cab 4x4.  Still trying to figure my options for the rear end, but that's for another thread.
 
A little info about me:
I'm originally from north central Pennsylvania.  Joined the Army at the age of 17.  About 5 years into my tour I met my wife while stationed at Ft. Polk.  I think some Voodoo may have been involved.  Now a question I always get is why did I move to Texas. Well my wife's family is from Shreveport, LA and as much as I miss home there is not a lot of jobs where I'm from.  A whole lot of Amish and Quakers...  I lived in Texas since 1997...  Would someone tell me when I'll get use to the heat?

Thats a pretty sweet rig! You arent nuts for wheeling IFS style, but maybe nuts for wheeling something so big!
 
And as the saying goes, if you dont like the weather in Texas, wait 5 minutes!
Actually, ive only lived hot places. This is actually the coldest place ive lived.

Welcome to the club!
 
I've some some IFS Toyota's do some wicked trails.

chansuke
 

This is actually the coldest place ive lived.

where did you live before? south africa? death valley?

GrounD~PoundeR


Hello,
I'll make this short and sweet or at least I'll try.  I'm in the process of adding a Camburg Long Travel suspension to my 2009 Toyota Tundra Double Cab 4x4.  Still trying to figure my options for the rear end, but that's for another thread.
 
A little info about me:
I'm originally from north central Pennsylvania.  Joined the Army at the age of 17.  About 5 years into my tour I met my wife while stationed at Ft. Polk.  I think some Voodoo may have been involved.  Now a question I always get is why did I move to Texas. Well my wife's family is from Shreveport, LA and as much as I miss home there is not a lot of jobs where I'm from.  A whole lot of Amish and Quakers...  I lived in Texas since 1997...  Would someone tell me when I'll get use to the heat?

welcome, im from here, and you never get used to the heat you just learn how to survive it

justaguy

chansuke
 

This is actually the coldest place ive lived.

where did you live before? south africa? death valley?

Sonoran Desert in California. Then live on the coast for a bit. It wasnt too hot there, peaking at 105, but it never got below 60 much.

Welcome to the chaos! I mean club... ;P
Post some pics of your rig when you get the chance. And you might look into coming out to our January meeting at El Fenix.
Looking forward to meeting yall =)

Welcome from another Tacoma owner!  Definitely post pics of your truck and of the Camburg setup.  Would also like to see it in action!  And Keith is proof you can wheel the snot out of an IFS rig.  In my opinion, driver skill helps more than anything.
 
As for the heat, it doesn't bother me as much in the beginning of the summer, but come late August, I'm all burned out from it - pun intended!

Well I just received an email that my triple bypass shocks have came in from fox and Camburg sent them and the bypass mounts out on the 23rd.  Yeah.  Now if I could only get Glassworks to send me correct fiberglass bedsides for my truck.  LOL, The new Tundras are pretty big.  It'll be more of a trail / expedition type rig.  I'll be able to handle those speed bumps at the mall without any issues.  LMAO!!!
 
The issue with IFS or more like this Generation Tundra is there is not a lot of aftermarket support for it.  Not having any luck finding beefier CVs and shafts.  I also wouldn't mind changing the front to manual locking hubs.

GrounD~PoundeR


Well I just received an email that my triple bypass shocks have came in from fox and Camburg sent them and the bypass mounts out on the 23rd.  Yeah.  Now if I could only get Glassworks to send me correct fiberglass bedsides for my truck.  LOL, The new Tundras are pretty big.  It'll be more of a trail / expedition type rig.  I'll be able to handle those speed bumps at the mall without any issues.  LMAO!!!
 
The issue with IFS or more like this Generation Tundra is there is not a lot of aftermarket support for it.  Not having any luck finding beefier CVs and shafts.  I also wouldn't mind changing the front to manual locking hubs.

You would most likely have to go with RCV or another custom deal to get better CV shafts.  The support is out there, you just have to find it and pay for it.
 
The big problem is that nice custom CV shafts that operate at high angles and work well with high speed offroading are the cost and limited benefit.  I say limited benefit because after upgrading UCA's, LCA's and the shafts, you have now made your weak link the steering and the differential.  Well, if you upgrade to high strength tie rods, that can lead to rack n' pinion failures (ask All Pro about that one!).  Also at that point are you going to cryo the gears and hope they can take the beating of a front locker?  On top of that, if you have done all that, you look at the receipt and realize you could have done a SAS and had more travel, stronger gear and a better all around set up.  Needless to say, it is a 2x edge sword. 
 
Factory CV's are cheap and easy to replace.  They also can act as a "fuse" and be the weak link.  When a CV or tierod lets go, it ****s, but $100 later and you are back in business.  A steering rack or front diff lets go, and its looking like $1000+ and a fair amount of down time.
 
Post some pics!
 
 

I hear you Eisenfaust I've thought about doing a SAS to my Tundra, but was talked out of it.  I've thought about calling RCV about getting a heavy duty CV so I won't have to worry about any binding issues.
I would feel more comfortable working with a solid axle then IFS. This is a whole new can of worms for me and to be honest installing this Camburg Kit is past my realm of knowledge. I don't feel comfortable installing it myself since I've never done something like this before so I'm going to have a fab shop to install it for me.  Don't get me wrong I'd love to have someone school me on IFS and give me a hand installing it, but I really don't know anyone in Texas or should I say anyone that has experience with IFS lifts that'll work for venison and beer.

GrounD~PoundeR


I hear you Eisenfaust I've thought about doing a SAS to my Tundra, but was talked out of it.  I've thought about calling RCV about getting a heavy duty CV so I won't have to worry about any binding issues.
I would feel more comfortable working with a solid axle then IFS. This is a whole new can of worms for me and to be honest installing this Camburg Kit is past my realm of knowledge. I don't feel comfortable installing it myself since I've never done something like this before so I'm going to have a fab shop to install it for me.  Don't get me wrong I'd love to have someone school me on IFS and give me a hand installing it, but I really don't know anyone in Texas or should I say anyone that has experience with IFS lifts that'll work for venison and beer.

Yea, a SAS always sounds good until you get into it.  Just too much involved for a daily driver that you depend on, especially with all these modern electronics and sensors.
 
The camburg kit should be pretty sweet.  I wouldn't mind lending a hand, but I am far from an expert and would be put to shame by most of the wrenchers here! 

For some reason, I thought you had a Tacoma, but after re-reading, I see it's a Tundra.  If it were a Tacoma, I was going to suggest going with Tundra CVs.
 
Have you talked with the folks at Camburg on beefier CVs?
 
Anyway, as for IFS lifts, if the Tundra IFS is similar to the Tacoma one, then it's actually very easy to work on.  I've done a few Tacoma lifts, and they're not that hard.  With that said, though, replacing the IFS components altogether with a long travel kit, which I assume is what the Camburg kit is, then that's something I've never done.  I assume it comes with different upper and lower control arms with some sort of aftermarket ball joints/heim joints that provide greater travel?  And since there aren't any aftermarket longer CVs, I also assume it doesn't provide longer arms, just new ones that add a bit more travel?
 
To prevent binding, you might want to add limiting straps, but even with those, I don't know how or if they'd prevent adverse binding on the CVs themselves.
 
For the rear, I suppose if you want to keep up with the front, then aftermarket leaf packs and longer shocks (maybe through the bed?) should help.  You also have the option of going spring under, which I realize goes contrary to what many do with going spring-over for added lift.  But from the little I understand, going spring under supposedly helps add greater travel, albeit at the expense of some clearance depending on the leaf packs and how it's done.  I'm guessing you'll need longer aftermarket leaf packs if you go spring-under, but I'll admit cluelessness with these types of setups. 
 
Either way, sounds like you're building one heck of a cool setup!

Eisenfaust ~ I was also told the same thing about all the electronics and sensors.
Equin ~ The LT kit looks pretty straight forward as long as you have the tools.  I've never jacked with IFS before so I'm just being cautious since my family will be riding in it too.  A few issues I see are replacing the front axles with Camburg's +3" axles, welding the bypass mounts and air-bump cans to the frame, modifying a couple body mounts for tire clearance and assembling / adjusting the dual rate coil over shocks.
I'm not wanting to put holes in the bed of my truck and doing a SUA would diminish my towing capacity.  I thought about doing a SUA with adjustable airbags to alleviate the weight when I haul or tow something, but was told it was a hinky idea.  Hinky... Really?  I'm so confused.

Gotcha.  And that's good to know that the kit comes with longer CV axles.  Wider stance, longer travel - that truck is going to be real sweet.  Would definitely love to see it in action.
 
If you get a chance and if the shop allows, observe them closely when they replace the CV axles.  Reason I say that is in the event you need to swap one out in the field.  I've been lucky I've never had to replace a broken one (knock on wood), but then my truck is mainly for work commuting and I only do the pansy 2 diamond rated trails.  I did replace one when the boot was leaking, and I still have it as a spare.  It was my first time, though, and when I re-seated it, the oil seal was set too far in and front diff gear oil started leaking.  So if you get a chance, maybe you can measure the distance in inches between the proper oil seal seating and the edge of the housing so you don't run into the same trouble if you have to swap one out.  Oh, and maybe you can buy an extra 3" longer spare from Camburg just in case.  Unless the hub will be swapped to make it like a manual hub like on some of the manual hub Tacomas?  With the manual hub Tacomas, you can still drive it without a CV axle, but with the automatic front hubs, you need the CV axle to keep the hub in place in order to drive it.  You might already know that, but thought I'd mention it just in case.
 
Anyway, post pics of all the parts when you get them in the mail!

I'd love to put manual locking hubs on the Tundra.  I haven't come across anyone who makes them for the new Tundra.  I asked when I bought Tundra if I could order a truck with it and was told no.  If you know someone who sells a kit please let me know.

If anyone wants to see what the Camburg LT Kit can come with I posted pics under Shop Talk & Wrench-A-Thon's 2009 Tundra Rear Suspension...  I posted a big hint hint towards the end.
 
BTW Thanks for the invite Ninjessie.  I believe I won't have to much trouble talking my wife in grabbing some mexican food..